You Know I Think Ill Just Use My Red Crayon for This Red Rocking Chair
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From: Invitee,judy@themuletrain.com
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 11:23 AM
So does anyone know who wrote the "Cherry-red Rockin' Chair" that goes, "I own't got no use for my crimson rockin' chair, I ain't got no sugar baby at present, infant now! Some ol' gal came forth, took my sugar babe and gone...gave him everything I made, then I laid him in the shade, but I ain't got no carbohydrate baby, at present"? One list says "Charlie Monroe", simply I idea it was traditional. Some phone call the melody, "saccharide baby". Am getting ready to release a cd with it equally tune #i, and need to know for mechanical licensing reasons. Thanks!!!!
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From: GUEST,Gern
Date: 16 Jun 01 - eleven:32 AM
I have no authoritative data here, but I doubt that authorship can be determined. This song is over a hundred years old, with close kinship to other modal tunes and diverse versions around. Charlie Monroe could well accept deserved credit for converting an old mountain tune from modal tune to bluegrass standards, but I don't believe it was possible for him to have written the original. I would think you would be safe calling it traditional, or challenge rights to your ain arrangement.
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From: Invitee,judy@themuletrain.com
Date: sixteen Jun 01 - 01:xiii PM
Thanks - just what I was thinking. My version is different from any I have heard, also. So, I feel safe now in listing it every bit traditional. Judy
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From: Stewie
Appointment: sixteen Jun 01 - 09:00 PM
It has been suggested that the mountain vocal may take derived from stanzas in 'Lass of Roch Royal' (Child 76).
--Stewie.
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From: Goody2Shz
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 03:33 PM
You guys are awesome when it comes to having lyrics! Am non wondering if anyone tin can help me with another ane I'one thousand having trouble finding.
Sometimes referred to equally Red Rocking Chair. Too known as Saccharide Babe (or Baby). I believe there is a line about going back to Jericho.
Sorry to be so vague. Promise somebody can help.
Thanks...dmp
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From: Goody2Shz
Engagement: 03 Aug 01 - 04:20 PM
Sorcha -- Thanks so much!! I must have washed something wrong when I did a search on Google. I couldn't notice annihilation that would actually give me the lyrics. -- dmp
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From: Pinetop Slim
Appointment: 03 Aug 01 - 04:24 PM
The DT has it as Red Apple Juice. Lyrics are similar to a version of "Red Rockin Chair," attributed to Lily Mae Ledford of the Coon Creek Girls, but neither mentions Jericho, and so I 'spect yous're looking for another variant:
ane. I ain't got no apply for the petty red rockin' chair
Got no saccharide honey baby here
Who'll stone the cradle, who'll sing that song?
Who'll stone that cradle when you're gone?
2. I ain't got no utilize for the little crimson rockin' chair
Got no sugar honey baby hither
I'll rock the cradle; I'll sing that song.
I'll stone that cradle when you're gone.
3. I've done all I can practice, said all I can say
Take you to your mammy next payday.
I'll rock the cradle; I'll sing that song.
I'll rock that cradle when you're gone.
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From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 04:25 PM
I looked in DT, must have missed it.
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From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 03 Aug 01 - 06:18 PM
Jo Ann Kelly sang this on her last LP before she died. I've tried to transcribe her lyrics, which differ from the ones Sorcha found, only I can't quite make all her words out. Nevertheless the last verse as she sings information technology goes:
Well I own't got no fourth dimension for your red rocking chair,
I ain't got no sugar baby now,
I'yard goin' to Montana [?my mama]to become abroad from here,
I tin't get along here with you,
Tin can't get forth hither with yous.
Still no mention of Jericho!
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From: murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 06:16 AM
Doctor Boggs recorded a variant of the song in 1966 called "State Blues". He dispenses with props like rocking chairs and apple seeds and starts out with:
Ain't got no carbohydrate infant now
I don't know if he recorded it in the twenty's during his original career.
Murray
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From: Pinetop Slim
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 04:33 PM
Similar to Boggs' "Country Blues" is "Sugar Baby," which Wayne Erbsen, in Backpocket One-time Time Song Volume, identifies every bit a variant of Ruby-red Apple Juice and Red Rocking Chair (I think Maria Muldaur recorded some other variant every bit "Dearest Babe.")
i. Some quondam rounder comes forth
Took my carbohydrate babe and gone
And I ain't got no saccharide baby now
No, I ain't got no sugar baby now
2. I gave her every cent I made,
And I laid her in the shade
And I own't got no saccharide baby now
No, I own't got no carbohydrate baby now
3.It'southward who'll call you honey
And information technology's who'll sing this vocal?
And it'south who'll stone the cradle when I'm gone?
Who'll rock the cradle when I'm gone?
iv. I own't got no use for
Your cherry-red rocking chair.
And I ain't got no saccharide infant now
No, I ain't got no sugar baby at present
---And nosotros're still miles from Jericho --
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From: fox4zero
Date: 04 Aug 01 - 05:54 PM
Doc Boggs "old" version was included in Harry Smith's anthology. It's neat erstwhile-timey.
Larry
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From: MAG
Appointment: 05 Aug 01 - 01:13 AM
Fleming Dark-brown in Chicago'south version included the red appple juice verse, the red rocking chair verse, with the send you to your mama side by side payday refrain. It just played on the Midnight Special. -- MAG
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From: murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 03:55 AM
I meant to look in the "Anthology" to check that Larry. I sort-of idea he did.
Murray
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From: Brian Hoskin
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 10:36 AM
Roosevelt Sykes recorded 'Carbohydrate Infant Blues' in 1942, only he sings about going to Georgia not Jericho.
EG:
I pulled you before yous got ripe, sugar infant.
I pulled yous before you got ripe, sugar babe.
I pulled you before y'all got ripe,
At present I know you ain't my type.
I'g gonna send yous right back to Georgia, sugar babe.
Brian
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From: Stewie
Date: 07 Aug 01 - ten:10 AM
Murray, I believe you are confusing ii songs or, at least, two titles. Boggs' 'Sugar Baby'[Brunswick 118 in 1927], beginning 'Oh I've got no sugar baby now' and his 'Country Dejection' [Brunswick 131 in 1927], beginning 'Come all yous good time people/While I've got money to spend', both appear, as Nos 62 and 73 respectively, in the Smith Anthology. He recorded 'Carbohydrate Baby' over again for Folkways in June 1964 and 'State Dejection' in June 1963. His 2 versions of 'Carbohydrate Babe' have verses in different gild, but both have 'red rocking chair' and 'who will rock the cradle'. 'Land Blues' was originally 'Hustling Gamblers' and has some connection with 'Darling Cory'. Boggs learned 'Sugar Babe' from his older blood brother, John. Information technology is a unlike vocal from 'Country Blues' and I am puzzled by your 1966 engagement.
--Stewie.
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From: Tannywheeler
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 05:25 PM
Someone signed "RG" @beverage posted words to the version of "Blood-red Apple tree Juice" sung by my mother, Hally Wood. Not all the words are accurate. The tune that is linked to the posting is ABSOLUTELY right. Note at stop said "recorded by GPs From Hally Wood @drink RG".
How can I reach this person/these people to help them with the corrected lines? Does anyone know who this/these are? Help!?!?
The "Sugar Baby" associated with mother is, of grade, "The Crawdad Song". Looks similar there may be some like 'traveling' verses.
You become a line, I'll become a pole, honey (singalongers repeat: honey)
(ditto line/pole) baby (due south.r.: baby)
(ditto line/pole), come across you down at the crawdad hole;
Beloved -- Sugar Baby, mine. (singalongers included on this line)
Wake upwards, Ol' Homo, you slept too late, Love (s.r.: honey)
(ditto Wake...tardily), Baby (s.r.: baby)
(ditto Wake...Late), the last crawdad is on my plate;
Honey -- Saccharide Baby mine.
Whatcha gonna do when the liquor gives out, beloved? (dearest)
(ditto...out) baby? (baby)
Tell me, whatcha gonna do when the liquor gives out?
Stand in the corner with my oral fissure in a frown,
Honey -- Sugar Baby, mine.
Whatcha gonna do when your shoes go thin, dear (etc.)
Due west. k. d. w. y. due south. g. t., baby?...
Say, whatcha......thin? Yous kin do the piece of work an' I'll sit in,
Dear -- Saccharide Baby, mine.
Put yo' hand on yo' hip and let yo' mind curl past, beloved(honey)
" " " " " " " " " " " " infant(baby)
Put yo' paw on yo' hip and let yo' mind curl by, cuz y'all
gonna shrivel when you die,
Honey -- Saccharide Infant, mine.
She sometimes used "tell me" or "say" as quick pickups to the 3rd line in the question verses. Sometimes, only on the second line, she alternated "infant" instead of "baby". She enjoyed the final line of (what I recollect as) the last verse, and took her time and enunciated each word.
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From: Guest
Appointment: twenty Aug 04 - 07:58 PM
The Holy Modal Rounders besides did a version of "Red Rocking Chair" on their anthology "Alleged in Their Own Time", in which "Sugar Baby" became "Dearest Babe". I can thoroughly recommend this and also their double anthology on Rounder Records which I think is merely called "The Holy Modal Rounders". The latter is of socio-celebrated interest as information technology used phrases such as "strutt their stuff" and "I can't abide no woman who goes round sniffin' glue", which shows that these phrases were not just products of the 1970s/1980s. Mind yous the discussion punk is obviously a very old English word for a woman of easy virtue. Not so fussed near the more psychedelic and cocky-indulgent stuff the HMRs did, although there are 2 or iii dainty songs on "Last Round", etc.
The Crawdad Vocal is also on a CD by Dr. Watson - the tune seems to exist similar to the one used past Bob Dylan for "Frog Went a Courtin", the last song on his CD "Proficient as I been to you lot", a generally acoustic folk/dejection album. The anthology if rather uneven; personally I think his version of Stephen Foster'due south Hard Times poor, just "Canadee-i-o" is an excellent song which I hadn't heard before. Despite existence twee and familiar I actually think Frog Went A Courtin actually the best vocal on the CD, though sadly probably not suitable for children because of the trigger-happy ending, ie the Frog, Mouse and Rat all get eaten!
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From: PoppaGator
Appointment: 21 Aug 04 - 02:09 AM
This word reminds me of another completely different vocal, of which I know merely one verse:
Saccharide Babe what'southward the thing with you
You don't dearest me like you used to practise
Sugar Babe, Sugar Babe
Information technology'due south all over now.
Anybody got any more?
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From: rich-joy
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 05:20 AM
Mance Lipscomb number, I think, PoppaGator - done past Gove Scrivenor on "Shady Gove" in the 70s, anyhow ... (my Partner, Poor Misery, used to do a fine version!)
Cheers! R-J
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From: chico
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 04:57 AM
Uncle earl edition
G D
|: Well, I ain't got no use for :|
Bm G
For your ruby apple juice
D Bm G|A
I ain't got no saccharide baby now
D Bm A7 D
I ain't got no sugar honey baby nowI laid her in the shade, laid her in the shade
And gave her every cent I made
What else could a poor boy do
What else could a poor male child doSome old rounder comes along, old rounder comes along
With his mouthful of aureate
Rounder stole my saccharide babe and gone
And I got no sugar love baby nowWell, who'll call you beloved?
And who'll sing this song?
And who'll rock the cradle when you're gone?
Who'll rock the cradle when I'chiliad gone?Well I'll rock that cradle, I'll rock that cradle,
And I'll sing this song,
I'll rock that cradle when your gone
Said I'll stone that cradle when your gone
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From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 01:54 PM
Chico, I'm curious. Who is Uncle Earl?
I noticed you also posted his version of the song Heighten A Rucus.
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From: MissouriMud
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 11:24 AM
Azizi - Its not a him its a feminine them - very absurd old and not so old mount music with Rayna Gellert on fiddle and lots of other good musicians in the group - Check out Uncle Earl at http://world wide web.uncleearl.cyberspace (sorry, havent figured out the bluish clicky affair all the same)
Cheers - MM
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From: Coyote Breath
Appointment: 25 Jul 05 - 02:09 PM
Gee. Having been a onetime aquaintance of Peter Stampfel and having hung out at Mother Blues, The Poison Apple tree and Fickle Pickle in Chicago in the early sixties; MY version of Red Rockin' Chair goes thusly:
Crimson Rockin' Chair
Own't got no use for your red rockin' chair
Got me no honey infant now.
Got me no saccharide baby now.
Who'll rock the cradle, who'll sing the song
Who'll stone the cradle when yous're gone?
Who'll stone the cradle when you're gone?
It'south I'll rock the cradle and I'll sing the song
I'll rock the cradle when you're gone.
I'll rock the cradle when you're gone .
You laid in the shade spending every dime I made
What more than tin can a poor boy practise?
What more can a poor boy do?
Information technology'south all I can do just to stay here with yous
Tin can't get on alivin' thisaway.
Can't go on alivin' thisaway.
It'due south all I tin practise, information technology'due south all I tin say
Take yous to your moma adjacent pay day.
I'll accept you to your moma side by side pay day.
Ain't got no employ for your red rockin' chair.
Got me no honey baby now.
Got me no sugar baby now.
I think it might be a cobbled constructing of what I heard (with my very own ears!) folkies in those clubs playing and singing. I play it on the five string in Gm modal and play it alot down here in Franklin county
I don't recall ever hearing it on a tape or CD.
A friend of mine played it as Carmine Apple tree Juice just I didn't think that fabricated much sense. Class neither does Red Rockin' Chair, come to retrieve of it.
CB
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From: Coyote Jiff
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 02:11 PM
I simply noticed that forum postings of RRC stuyff always take identify in the heat of the summer!
CB
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From: Coyote Breath
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 02:xiv PM
its a kinder, gentler, version of Cold Pelting and Snowfall.
CB
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From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Appointment: 31 Jul 05 - 01:59 PM
Far as I know, Red Rockin' Chair started out as Bascom Lamar Lunsford's Red Apple Juice, was afterwards recorded by Charlie Monroe. Verses not unlike those here. But that cranky ol' Lunsford voice and idiosyncratic banjo turn it unearthly.
The Lunsford version is apartment out beautiful and deserves to be heard. It'south non on the Folkways LP; not sure if his Riverside or other subsequently records include information technology. It is printed in Loyal Jones' bio of him, "Minstrel of the Appalachians."
Without an exhaustive search through Jones' volume (it has no index, a existent flaw) I can't be sure, simply I think I have seen it stated somewhere that Bascom learned information technology back in the mountains on 1 of his numerous song-collecting jaunts.
Come across the other B Fifty Lunsford threads. Just posted a defence force of the prickly old man on 1 of them a few minutes back.
Bob
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From: Big Al Whittle
Engagement: 01 Aug 05 - 04:01 AM
I suppose like most English people, my acquaintance with this vocal is through Ralph McTell - he put information technology it on his Streets anthology - and so its from the years when Tony Visconti was producing his stuff. Streets was the album released in the wake of Streets of London existence a hit so a very smooth production, and lots of people bought the album, and every bit a consequence are familiar with this song.
its strange how some very hands understandable blues (think of that Lemon jefferson one where the family unit are given back the body of a loved ane who has died in the electrical chair) and nevertheless remain virtually unknown - whilst things like Like shooting fish in a barrel Rider, matchbox, and this one , where the significant is obscure to say the least, practise a fascination over lots of artists.
all the all-time
Big Al Whittle
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From: Guest
Engagement: 22 Sep 10 - 09:41 PM
I, Joel Shimberg, started from Charlie Monroe and his KY Pardners:
I ain't got no use for your red rocking chair,
Own't got no honey infant now.
Ain't got no honey infant now.
It's who'll stone the cradle, who'll sing this song?
Who'll stone the cradle when I'chiliad gone.
Who'll stone the cradle when I'm gone?
Information technology'due south I'll rock the cradle, I'll sing your song.
I'll rock the cradle when y'all're gone.
I'll rock the cradle when you're gone.
Information technology'due south all I can say, girl, all I can do;
Tried to become along with you lot.
I tried my best to go along with you,
It's all I tin can do, Lord, it's all I can say.
Ship you to your mama next payday.
Send you to your mama next pay mean solar day.
Own't got no use for your red reddish rocking chair.
Ain't got no honey baby at present.
Ain't got no honey baby now.
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From: MGM·Panthera leo
Appointment: 23 Sep 10 - 04:nineteen AM
It predates Ralph McTell in UK. Isla Cameron would often sing it to circular off her set at the sometime Ballads & Blues Guild at the Princess Louise, about 1956-vii, intentionally to wind upwards Ewan MacColl who tried to impose a rule that merely Americans might sing American songs: I recall his once shaking his head at her more in sorrow than in anger and promising her fifty lashes at the gangway if she e'er did it again! I loved her singing of it and have been singing it always since. Information technology is the final track, under title Crimson Apple Juice, with acknowledgments to [& in memory of] her, on my Butter&Cheese&All record [originally a Brewhouse cassette, now remastered on CD]; & I take put it up for all to hear on my Youtube channel ~~
http://www.youtube.com/user/mgmyer
~Michael~
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From: GUEST,Crowcity
Date: 28 Sep 13 - 01:19 AM
What s this vocal most ? ' send ya to ya momma side by side payday. '
This person lst a loved one ?
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From: MGM·Lion
Engagement: 28 Sep 13 - 02:01 AM
It is surely most a relationship breaking up: I know that bit as "going home to my mammy next payday"...
... 2nd of two antithetical stanzas ~~
Said all I tin can say and washed all I tin do
Ain't no living here for me with you lot.
Washed all I could practice and said all I could say
Going home to my mammy side by side payday
~M~
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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Sep 13 - 05:xiii AM
well obviously Ralph must have got information technology from somewhere. All I'm proverb is that alot of people in England know the song considering of his version.
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From: Invitee,gina kay landis
Date: ten May fourteen - 11:40 AM
I know this done from (and then) Suzanne Edmundson of the Hot Mud Family and knew information technology as a version of a Child ballad.
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From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Appointment: 15 May 16 - 04:07 AM
E.C. Perrow's song 76 (from 1909) in his multipart 1910s article reads similar this:
"Done all I can practise
Trying to become forth wid you;
Gwine to conduct you lot to your mammy pay 24-hour interval."
The original manuscript (encounter the "E.C. Perrow original manuscripts online" thread) appears to take more that's all part of the same song, as provided to Perrow by West.G. Pitts:
"you been hanging around
and fooling around till the
summers all well-nigh gone.
summers all virtually gone infant
summers all nigh gone
washed all I can practice
trying to get forth wid you lot
gwine to deport you to your mamy
pay day"
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From: Invitee
Appointment: 28 Apr 21 - 05:39 PM
Wow-this is practiced stuff- I came up with my own version afterwards listening to MANY different versions..(I play it on fiddle (or banjo) D/1000/Bm
-pick your own key)
I own't got no utilize,
I ain't got no use,
I own't got no employ for your cherry rocking chair,
I Ain't got no dear baby at present.
I Ain't got no sugar baby now.
I Ain't got no honey baby,sugar infant now.
Some old gambler came,
Some old gambler came with a pocket full of gold.
That gambler came and stole my jelly-scroll,
That gambler came and stole my jelly-roll,
Who'll rock the cradle, who'll sing this song?
Who'll rock the cradle when your gone ?
Who'll rock the cradle when your gone ?
I'll stone the cradle, I'll sing this song.
I'll stone the cradle when y'all're gone.
I'll rock the cradle when you lot're gone.
I own't got no use,
I ain't got no use,
For that cerise apple juice.
I'grand living on corn whiskey now,
I'm living on corn whiskey at present.
It'due south all I tin can do, information technology'southward all I can say,
I can't go on living this fashion.
I can't keep living this a-fashion.
End/Repeat First Verse.
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